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Poster: | akb | Date: | Apr 13, 2006 11:25pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
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Poster: | JeffT | Date: | Apr 13, 2006 11:56pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
Obviously archive.org is not avoiding RealPlayer format entirely, since it is the VERY FIRST application listed on streaming FAQ (http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#94)and is used for much of the content.
If there was a free streaming mp4 player that worked in full screen mode with the archive.org mp4 streams, and if the streaming FAQ would reference that application and give instructions about how to use it, mp4 format might be as good as realplayer. But as it stands now, I think RealPlayer formats are much easier to view full screen, and I'd like my uploaded content to be also available in that format.
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Poster: | FP | Date: | Apr 14, 2006 1:01am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
This post was modified by FP on 2006-04-14 08:01:51
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Poster: | JeffT | Date: | Apr 14, 2006 2:11am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
http://www.archive.org/details/redwood_center_2005_12_13_rhodes
The 256k mp4 stream is:
http://www.archive.org/stream/redwood_center_2005_12_13_rhodes/rhodes_256kb.mp4
When I follow the directions for "Playing a network steam" in the VideoLan documentation, at:
http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/ch03.html
(Briefly, File -> Open Network Stream..., then paste the link to the 256K MP4 stream into the HTTP/HTTPS/FTP/MMS URL on the Network tab, then click OK), nothing happens.
Can you (or anyone) give me suggestions to get it working?
But even if it does work (which I would be happy to know how), it really doesn't solve my problem because I want general users to be able to easily stream full screen my uploaded content. As it is, they would never know about VideoLan from the archive.org streaming FAQ (http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#94), let alone how to use it.
If MP4 format is going to be the only streaming format available at archive.org for some content, then there should be a free easy to use client that can stream in full screen AND there should be detailed instructions for how to obtain and use it in the FAQ.
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Poster: | richardsur | Date: | Apr 14, 2006 4:45am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
This post was modified by richardsur on 2006-04-14 11:45:44
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Poster: | JeffT | Date: | Apr 14, 2006 6:26am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
2) MPlayer: I downloaded the version at link you suggest. It is a command line-only application which requires reading on-line documentation to figure out how to use.
3) Compare the user experience of the above two applications to Real Player. The above two applications either require cutting and pasting a counterintuitive URL (and even then it didn't work) or looking up commands in an on-line manual and entering them into a shell. With the Real Player client, the user just clicks on the stream link and viola: the stream starts.
4) I think this points out a major problem that needs to be addressed by archive.org. The problem is, that when a user clicks on the "help" link next to the word "stream", the FAQ that is opened:
http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#94
Says that Real Player is used to view streaming content and that quicktime is required for mp4 streaming. But, by default, there are no real player files generated for newly uploaded content. And the free version of Quicktime cannot display in full screen mode. Thus, there is no way for a user to view streamed content in full screen just using the information at the Archive.org website. Free applications that can play mp4 content in full screen mode (such as VideoLan and MPlayer) are not mentioned in the FAQ. And even if they were mentioned, without some detailed directions they are not easy to get working.
To solve this, one solution would be to provide Real Video versions of the content. That way the available content format would match what is in help link, and it allows full screen streaming.
5) I don't know if Real is an obsolete format. I do know that it's still actively used at some major sites. For example: http://www.uctv.tv, and http://www.wpr.org and for webcasts at UC-Berkeley.
6) My main desire is that video content I upload be easy to view in full screen mode for general users. Right now (with only mp4 streaming) that's not the case.
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Poster: | Madhavananda | Date: | Apr 16, 2006 9:33am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: Automatic generation of real player (rm) files? |
This post was modified by Madhavananda on 2006-04-16 16:33:39