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glenn |
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September 23, 2005 02:28:45am |
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Re: some thoughts on band websites... |
I second everything you say xtifr, pretty websites aren't as useful as navigable websites. A LOT of people disable flash animations because they don't like advertising, so I recommend that any band think seriosly about using it very sparingly.
Make sure your site is written in standard code, too, so it works on everyone's browser. InternetExplorer-only or Netscape-only html tricks are plain BAD.
Also, any good web designer can set up a site that doesn't need a web design expert in order to update it. Don't get stuck with having to actually hire a web designer or coder to do your site.
One of the biggest jobs on the internet is FIXING bad websites made by overzealous designers. Best solution is to build it yourself, second best is to have a friend do it for free, in a way where you can do the updates yourself.
Just my 2 cents worth.
edit: I looked at somebody's closet's site. I can tell you for sure that you are losing viewers if you make a site like that. If you're their web wizard, check the logs and look for people that load the first page and nothing more.
Remember that blind people listen to music, and that the web is a public space. If it were a building it should be wheelchair accessible, if it's a web site, it should be accessible to people with accessibility issues.
Hey, don't take my word for it, read what the worldwide web consortium has to say on accessibility:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/accessibility.php
web Accessibility may very soon be a legal requirement, it is already a moral responsibility.
This post was modified by glenn on 2005-09-23 09:28:45
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Somebody's Closet |
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September 23, 2005 04:05:13am |
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Re: some thoughts on band websites... |
But honestly, (without argument), how hard is my site to read and navigate? You click on where it says ENTER and that's it. I don't understand how much clearer it can be. Have you seen Tool's website or Disectional.com, those are amazing works of art. If we're losing fans due to our site, I would like to change it, but I HONESTLY don't know how to dumb it down even more. SHOW mean shows, and PICS mean pictures... right? Also, I have extreme high speed. I browse at about 6.5 Mb/sec. Why do I have it? Because its the way of the future and I want to take advantage of it. There are shows on HiDef TV that regular cable watchers can't see. I don't see anyone telling them to have a regular cable show for those people. Anyways, please tell me what you would change and WHY. I've been to complicated sites and mine (in my opinion) is DEFINATELY not a complicated site. Browse and tell me details. I really DO want to know. Thanks.
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morst |
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September 25, 2005 05:45:10am |
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etree
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Re: some thoughts on band websites... |
That somebodyscloset site is very hard to read- the text size is too small for me. Flash does not support normal text resizing, can be important for people with eyesight which is not perfect. But I'm sure you know that after reading the accessability links from Glenn! Also, on the contact page the funky lettering interferes with the text itself- no wonder you don't get much negative feedback- the people with the problem can't see where to let you know!
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Somebody's Closet |
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September 25, 2005 08:04:46am |
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Re: some thoughts on band websites... |
OK...OK, thanks for the feedback. I'm fixing it now. That's all I want is a little feedback to let me know what to do. I don't have EVERYBODY'S computer, so I can't see what everybody else sees and this is the only site I build. I changed just the contact and home pages. If it's good, I'll change the rest. The font is now 12pt. Check it now and let me know. Thanks for helping me.
www.somebodyscloset.com
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Somebody's Closet |
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September 23, 2005 12:10:53pm |
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Re: some thoughts on band websites... |
"Remember that blind people listen to music, and that the web is a public space."
Ummm, well, blind people don't really go online... and how would I cater to a BLIND PERSON?? (no offence to them)
As for that link you gave, that's interesting. I'm pretty sure they mean major public sites like .gov's and banks and stuff. Good reading, though... it's interesting.
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glenn |
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September 23, 2005 01:10:51pm |
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This guy says blind people don't go online |
That's just ignorant. Of course blind people go online. Anyone from the visually-impaired community want to back me up on this?
Blind people use audial browsers and screen readers, among other devices. They read text. XHTML is text. Screen readers can read it. Flash is not text. Screen readers can not read Flash. This is Web Design Fundamentals 101.
Pardon my saying so, but anyone who thinks they are a web designer and has no clue about accessibility, are flat living in the past, and didn't read this:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/accessibility.php
I linked you to it before, so there you go, a second chance.
Ignorance is correctable.
PS:there's nothing on somebodyscloset that can't be done without Flash, so what's the point?
This post was modified by glenn on 2005-09-23 20:10:51
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Somebody's Closet |
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September 23, 2005 03:17:55pm |
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signing off |
I'll tell you what... I started this WHOLE posting with trying to help someone with my viewpoints on what I look for in a band's website... and this is what happened. You know what, go to my website or don't. I asked for help from people and talk about suggestions and not ONE person gave me any hints as to what they think I should do, they just put me down. So, I'm done. And I DO APPOLOGIZE TO ALL SEEING IMPARED PEOPLE. I might be ignorant (not completely knowing), but I am a musician at heart doing my own band's web design. Later all.
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