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BornEasement |
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June 07, 2012 08:49:01am |
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What are "low-gens"? |
I'm trying to understanding the fundamentals of taping here: what's a low-gen vs. high-gen tape, and how does that affect the sound?
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Incornsyucopia |
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June 07, 2012 11:11:49am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Your question shows how far we've gone into the Digital World. With analog recording every time you make a new recording from an older one there is a degradation in quality. So "low-gen" meant close to the original source, and thus better quality, vs. "high-gen" meaning far away and worse quality. One of the benefits of digital recording is that there are no "generations" since every copy is exactly the same as the original.
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dark.starz |
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June 07, 2012 07:44:09pm |
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Keep your eye on the Dragonfly! |
" One of the benefits of digital recording is that there are no "generations" since every copy is exactly the same as the original."
Not always, jitter, sampling frequency and bit rates impact the audible performance of digital transfers.
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Skobud |
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June 08, 2012 10:48:13am |
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Re: Keep your eye on the Dragonfly! |
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You are totally misinterpreting Wikipedia once again.
Im not going to walk you through it, yet again, but I would appreciate it if you would shut the fuck up and lie about something you actually know a little bit about.
There is no such thing as an "audible performance of a digital transfer".
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Headstrung |
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June 07, 2012 12:32:52pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
For a lot of the older anolog sources this is very important because it is referring to how many times an original source was copied. In the stereo taping worlds evolution it was reel to reel, analog cassete, PCM then DAT. Also for a while when DAT was not the normative way to trade; DAT tapers would have to either clone a copy to DAT for someone else with the correct technology or create an analog cassete master. The other item of note is that when possible getting a copy from the lead deck from a show leaves you with a better sounding source because it is coming straight off the mics.
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snow_and_rain |
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June 07, 2012 09:00:13am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
The generation of the tape tells you how many transfers you are away from the original source material. Low-gen is better than High-gen.
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AltheaRose |
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June 08, 2012 03:29:06am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
So if you're old enough to remember tapes, you're a low-gen Deadhead. Or at least middle-gen, if the real low-gen tapers had reel to reel.
Did they? Was there a time when tape collections were all reel to reels? I used to make reel to reel tapes off the radio as a kid in the early 70s (not of the Dead, LOL ... as if!), but I don't remember if there WERE casettes around then and I was just using some old machine of my dad's, or what.
Hard to picture tape trading with reel to reels!
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duckpond74 |
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June 08, 2012 03:11:56pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Showing my age here, but I still occasionally will listen to one or two, of my beloved old reels. I still have several of my old 7", and the occasional 5" reels taking up space. It's good to see someone on this list confessing to recording shows off the radio on reels - wherever they were at the time. I recorded, or had a friend record, several of the Dead radio broadcasts from '71 through '77 - mostly while living in and around Chicago. Trading reels was costly, and a major hassle compared to cassettes, but often the effort was worth it. After all, you had a nice 7" x 7" surface to decorate to your liking. It seemed that most of the folks trading in the early 70's were in NY and SF. Makes sense, given how many shows were broadcast in those areas.
In my humble opinion, with regards to 'gens' of tapes, there is still nothing as sweet to my ears as listening to 6-29-76, recorded right off WXRT at 7 1/2 ips - The Playing > Wheel > Playing still brings on the goosebumps. I had a friend who had a nice deck and good receiver, who wasn't into the Dead at the time, record the '76 and '77 shows for me, since I was there in the audience. There was a broadcast of the Jerry Band w/ Keith and Donna from the Keystone in '75 that got played regularly in my house and at parties for years. I went a few years without a working reel to reel, and since picking up a refurbished Teac a few years back, I've been revisiting those old gems. I feel that, like many pleasures, their quality is transient. My first Dead tape I ever owned, was 10-21-71, recorded off of WGLD. Having all of those new songs that hadn't shown up on any records was a treat. This tape was played so many times, on many different decks, that it now has a patina of age that has dulled the bright highs and muddled the mids. Most of my tapes recorded after '72 still shine . . . shine, but who knows for how much longer. I mostly listen to digital transfers to CDs - which we refer to as 'fancy cassettes'. I'm not wanting to get into an analog vs. digital discussion here, but I wish that any serious listener would someday get a chance to listen to a master, or 'low gen' reel to experience those dynamics and rich sounds from this band live -'ain't nothin' like it'.
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William Tell |
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June 08, 2012 11:20:33am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
We were using cassettes by the early 70s; the true masters had reel to reel, but tape trading parties were always cassettes by 72, in my experience...some folks even brought--shudder--8 track tape recorders! We sometimes were making copies of both kinds (lots of cars then only had 8 track...).
RtoR were expensive; tape and machines.
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Mandojammer |
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June 07, 2012 02:08:23pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Bacon is better than rutabagas.
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elbow1126 |
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June 07, 2012 02:20:12pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
rutabagas are better if served with bacon. Actually everything is better when served with bacon. A local restaurant (Leon's in Decatur for the GA folks) has a starter that is a glass of bacon served with peanut butter. I told my wife about and she was skeptical so i took her there for lunch a few Sundays ago and now she is a true believer. Around the corner from Leon's is another establishment that has been serving bacon-infused drinks (The Iberian Pig). Last month it was bacon-infused rye.
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AltheaRose |
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June 08, 2012 03:42:42am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Rutabagas are more fun to say.
A GLASS of bacon and peanut butter? Why in a glass? Was it blended into a very brown smoothie, or did they just stick the peanut buttered-bacon in a glass to make sure you could drink all the grease?!?
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elbow1126 |
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June 08, 2012 04:01:44am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
That is true. It's no guacamole but its close.
No they are strips of bacon (6 i think) served in a glass with a little cup of peanut butter on the side for dipping. Simple yet elegant.
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cosmicharIie |
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June 08, 2012 07:46:08am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
It sure looks tasty to me! As a kid, I enjoyed peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwiches.
Ingredients:
Bread
Bacon
Mayo
PB
Sliced Banana's
jam - YUMMY!
Oh, and lettuce
This post was modified by cosmicharIie on 2012-06-08 14:46:08
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elbow1126 |
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June 08, 2012 12:24:29pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Yes, i realized by the responses that a Kind Veggie Burrito dipped in peanut butter might be an easier sell on this forum. I still think bacon would taste better.
As for your family responses, your son is wise beyond his years. Your husband is also correct, but he is looking at it the wrong way. Instead of focusing on what Americans will buy, he should focus on the positive. This is a wonderful example of American ingenuity. What other country could come up with Bacon in a Glass with a side of peanut butter!! Three cheers for the red, white and blue!! Well either that or people were stoned, had the munchies and the conversation that your son imagined followed.
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Arbuthnot |
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June 07, 2012 02:46:39pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
"glass of bacon served with peanut butter"
that sounds positively revolting, not to mention i am quite certain it doesn't contribute positively to the overall healthcare costs in the country
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ringolevio |
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June 08, 2012 07:53:00am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Just what I was thinking - my stomach hurts just thinking about this.
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elbow1126 |
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June 07, 2012 03:07:13pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
My wife thought the same thing until she tried it. If you want to come down South and visit, i would be happy to take you there. We could bike there, its not too far (my wife and I did the day she tried this delicacy). That should help offset some of those healthcare costs that you are concerned about.
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Arbuthnot |
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June 07, 2012 03:21:25pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
It's tempting (the invite), i haven't been to Atlanta since '88, but it will have to wait until i am released from my bondage at work ... too bad the Yankee/Braves match up is next week, that would have been a thrill, especially with you (and the wife) picking up the cost of the tix!
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elbow1126 |
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June 07, 2012 03:31:41pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
a braves tix and a little pb and bacon is pittance compared to the generosity you have shown me (and others) around here.
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William Tell |
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June 07, 2012 03:51:23pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Yes, do extend favors to Arb, but by all means, don't dunk and dip him in PB&Bacon...
[eeeuuuwwwwweeee...but, I think I've heard this from someone else as well; just can't get over the thought myself]
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Mandojammer |
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June 07, 2012 04:00:35pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Oh but it does. It kills people off early that would otherwise drag on their lives until they get old and feeble and become a real cost burden on the system.
Who knew PBBDPs were in Obama Care? (Peanut Butter and Bacon Death Panels)
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William Tell |
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June 08, 2012 11:23:44am |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Here I am again: "...old and feeble and a real cost burden on the system..."
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wineland |
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June 07, 2012 06:04:53pm |
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Re: What are 'low-gens'? |
Since a visit to the cardiologist I have been cheffing up turkey bacon for Saturday morning breakfasts. The family is actually hooked on Morningstar Brekky sausage patties over the real deal. That said, I bought a dozen slices of thick cut, locally cured, no nitrate, bacon a couple weeks ago. Crisped it to perfection and made BLT's. Good golly Miss Molly, I could have cared less if I had a heart attack as I already felt like I died and went to the Promised Land.
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