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bullie89 |
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April 26, 2012 06:38:51pm |
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I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
The public domain films are being ripped out of the archive by GoDigital. Check out their IMDB PAGE:
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0285703/Hulu is playing tons of these as is YouTube! Also Amazon. They even have Humphey Bogart in 'Beat the Devil'!
This is incredibly illegal, and I know why. I contacted the US Copyright Office in Washington, DC and here is what they sent me:
"Public domain" means that copyright no longer applies to the work. When the copyright has expired, it is said to be in the public domain. This means anyone is free to use the material. When a work is in the public domain, then the copyright can no longer be sold or transferred, since copyright protection no longer applies to the work including music.
If you have additional questions or need further assistance, our contact information is listed below.
Sincerely,
JS
U.S. Copyright Office
Attn: Public Information Office-LM401
101 Independence Avenue, S.E.
Washington, DC 20559-6000
Phone: (202) 707-5959
This is so illegal and because I posted 'Rain' I got a strike at YouTube.
YouTube is truly corrupt. They are charging people to watch Public Domain films like Stagecoach and McClintock with John Wayne!
This is beyond the pale!
Ellen
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skybandit |
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April 27, 2012 02:51:27pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
I don't understand the question.
If I download "Beat the Devil," burn a disc of it and sell it, I have committed no crime. It's Public Domain and I can do what I want with it, just as Hulu and Amazon do. There's no crime in charging for Public Domain material, and no crime in giving it away. I don't get your point.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 03:11:17pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
Indeed they can do that, but they cannot remove the films from the Archive. THAT is illegal. Films in the public domain may never be sold and by that I mean the Copyright. They have to put them back into the archive. To take a film in the Public Domain and remove it from the archive is a violation of the Copyright Act of 1976. These films are meant to be shared in full. Not taken away by companies whom have larger budgets than you or I. That is my point.
Thanks.
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The Free Advice Man of NYC |
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April 27, 2012 03:03:56pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
I do not entirely agree with this. Speaking from an Ethical point of view and not necessarily a purely legal one. Just because something is in the Public Domain does not mean that you own the right to sell it as your own creation. Rather: you may sell it as part of a combined effort to raise funds for the Arts & Humanities ( various NGOs would be happy for that ) and to earn some capital from your efforts. But merely reproducing any created work not your own original creation and charging for it just because it is in the Public Domain sounds a bit deceptive. My free advice: make something ORIGINAL using material from Public Domain items...and be sure to be obvious about your sources whenever possible! I made " Invasion of The Space Potatos " on YouTube. Enjoy!
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 03:07:47pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
You are allowed to use a film in the Public Domain and dub it into the language of your country, or you may do a mashup or whatever you want to do. You just can NEVER by the Copyrights as they are not for sale! When someone rips a film out of the Archive and no longer shares it they are violating the Law.
Thanks.
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elmagno |
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April 27, 2012 09:33:23pm |
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feature_films
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
I think Invasion of the Space Potatoes got you.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 03:18:31pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
LOL! That is funny.
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Moongleam |
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April 26, 2012 09:15:05pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
Did you search for a copyright renewal for Stagecoach?
If you didn't, why do you say that it is p.d.?
The copyright was renewed in 1967.
STAGECOACH, a photoplay in ten reels
by Walter Wanger Productions.
(C) JOFeb39; LP8662. Twentieth Cen-
tury-Fox Film Corp. (PWH); 25Jan67;
R4 02779-
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bullie89 |
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April 27, 2012 02:27:15pm |
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feature_films
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
It has been PD for years. They are grabbing films out of the archive and playing them on Amazon, Hulu, IMDB and YouTube to name a few. Search on YouTube for StageCoach or McClintock and you will see that there are channels that have it. It is just nuts.
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jonc |
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April 27, 2012 03:24:46pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
They're allowed to do this, bullie. Public domain can be distributed any way the user wishes, even for a profit.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 03:03:10pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
They may use the films, however they cannot buy them as they are never for sale. That is what the US Copyright Law states. They must share them with others, like you and I. For them to remove them from the Archive is a major violation of the Copyright Act of 1976.
Thanks.
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jonc |
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April 28, 2012 03:20:16pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
What part of the copyright act are you referring to? If it's public domain, people are free to derive, modify and distribute it. Public domain by definition means that the work is no longer in copyright.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 03:57:17pm |
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feature_films
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
"Public domain" means that copyright no longer applies to the work. When the copyright has expired, it is said to be in the public domain. This means anyone is free to use the material. When a work is in the public domain, then the copyright can no longer be sold or transferred, since copyright protection no longer applies to the work including music.
If you have additional questions or need further assistance, our contact information is listed below.
Sincerely,
JS
U.S. Copyright Office
Attn: Public Information Office-LM401
101 Independence Avenue, S.E.
Washington, DC 20559-6000
Phone: (202) 707-5959
That is directly from the US Copyright Office as you can see. People do not understand that the copyrights to these films themselves can never be sold. You can take the films and do anything you want but you can never claim you own them as a score of companies are doing.
Thanks.
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jonc |
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April 28, 2012 04:05:03pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
The COPYRIGHT can no longer sold or transferred, that doesn't apply to the work itself.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 04:20:28pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
The film itself can never be sold. It can be used by anybody but nobody can claim a copyright on it or take it out of the archive.
Thanks.
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jonc |
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April 28, 2012 04:44:54pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
You don't understand what public domain means. Nobody owns the rights to it anymore. If I wish to download 'Plan 9 from Outer Space,' burn it to disk and sell it from a shop, I can do so without owing any royalties to the Archive or to Ed Woods' estate. No restrictions. Posting it on a website does not give the Archive special rights to the work, and Ed Woods' rights expired with the copyright.
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 05:09:15pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
Indeed, I do know what Public Domain means. The Archive contains collections of films owned by the Library of Congress. The Library of Congress allows films in the Public Domain to be used by anyone for any reason. Nobody can take a film in the Public Domain and restrict it.
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jonc |
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April 28, 2012 05:21:43pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
I give up. Be sure to return everything, okay?
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 05:39:01pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
You clearly do not understand the Statute. That is okay. Law, by its Nature is complex. I am tired of this too. I am an Attorney and tired of trying to educate as that is not my job.
Grab the films while you can as they are being illegally removed from the Archive.
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migre |
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April 28, 2012 06:05:52pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
Now here's a URL for YOU...look for the hidden "message"
http://ramrod-boston.com/
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 Video-Cellar |
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April 28, 2012 05:58:40pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
You clearly lack any understanding of the issues here. You seem to be getting things all mixed up. Some facts that might help you gain an understanding:
1) When you see removal requests in the forum it is because the film is NOT in the public domain but is in fact copyright protected and needs to go for that reason alone.
2) The majority of the films here are not contributed by or "Owned" by the Library of Congress. These collections are user contributed - they are movies uploaded by individual, corporate and institutional donors.
3) Public domain films are free to be repackaged, sold, marketed, altered, derived upon, etc in any way the user sees fit.
4) There is no obligation in the law to share public domain films. If I want to, I can keep all the really rare reels of film I have on my shelves just for myself. In fact, I am not even obligated to share them with myself.
5) Courts have ruled that it is appropriate for users to claim copyright on derivative works made from public domain works. For example, if a company takes a damaged silent film and creates new title cards and music or takes an English language film and creates a Spanish soundtrack, they have created a new copyright work that they do not have any obligation to share. They are able to place any restrictions within copyright law they wish. But they only own a copyright on their new work not the original work.
6) The problems you have on Youtube are the result of a failed automated content identification system. It is perfectly legal for a person who has created a new work based on a public domain work to place that work in a system such as Youtube's Content ID. What is unacceptable is that that system can not distinguish between one version of a public domain work and another or that the claimant would deny disputes in bad faith (or has placed an unaltered public domain work in the system).
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Poster:
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bullie89 |
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April 28, 2012 06:45:54pm |
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Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going... |
I get this.
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